• The Last Kings Of Lamington Road

    The Last Kings Of Lamington Road

    Nachiket 'therapist' Mhatre, Sep 04, 2011 2158 hrs IST

    How the IT hub of Bombay lost out to the internet.

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The famed Lamington Road is widely accepted as the IT hub of Bombay. Considered a Mecca for hardware enthusiasts, its main USP has been its rock-bottom prices driven by large volumes. I have seen it evolve over the past two decades, but time hasn't been kind to it. This hardware haven was once a place where the shopkeepers knew their hardware and wouldn't mind giving out sound advice to customers.

However, finding high quality products, enthusiast gear, and more importantly, good customer service has become increasingly difficult at Lamington Road. The shops now peddle cheap products that sell in large volumes, while the ones behind the counter don't quite care or know much about their wares. The high-end hardware market has gradually moved onto online shops, but one can still find a few brick-and-mortar shops that do cater to this niche.

What follows is a freewheeling interview with Rahul Varma, the proprietor of one such establishment - E-Lounge, which started out as an e-shop catering to the hardware enthusiast market. Mr. Varma took up the online hardware retailing business to fill the void in the enthusiast segment that formed after Lamington Road started to lose its edge. Let's find out what caused this exodus of enthusiasts from the physical shops to the online ones, straight from the horse's mouth.


The Last Kings Of Lamington Road



Tell us about yourself and E-Lounge.
My name is Rahul Varma. I started theitwares.com four years back in 2007. Initially, I was the sole person working for it. It was a one-page website with a list of products available in the market and their prices. People like the idea of checking prices online from the comfort of their homes and it really caught on. We later shifted to an HTML based website adding additional functionalities that allowed visitors to interact with us by email from the website itself and such. Now itwares.com has evolved into a larger website, where you can view product pictures, specifications, get product updates, and buy products from the site itself.

How did you get into this business?
Around five years back, I wanted to sell my old PC. One of my friends suggested a forum called TechEnclave. He assured that I would get buyers over there. I did what he suggested, and the response was pretty good. At that point of time, I was already considering getting a job or starting a business of my own. Since the same friend had contacts in Lamington Road, I used them to get products at good rates.

Basically, you can say that TechEnclave also has a good part in this. Without these forums, I don't think my site would have received such exposure. At that point of time there was only one such shop - PrimeABGB, which did not have a website at that time either. No one would put up any prices online; with the sole exception of a Chennai-based website called The IT Depot. Even their prices weren't up-to-date. That's when I hit upon an idea to provide home deliveries to customers. The idea was to put up prices online, be transparent, and give good products to customers. That's how it all started.

Where do you get the most business from - the brick-and-mortar shop, forums, or the website?
The website is the most important for me, because that is our face to the world. Even though we receive customers in the brick and mortar store, they know us due to the website. The website, therefore, is the best way to generate orders - be it online or offline customers. Most of our walk-in customers are connected to us online through the website or the forums. They have seen us online that's why they visit us offline.


The Last Kings Of Lamington Road



Your shop was located deep inside the bylanes of Lamington Road, with customers solely coming through word-of-mouth. However, you have recently moved onto the front street. Have you gone mainstream?
Mainstream, as in?

Like going from an enthusiast-hardware-only shop to the one that stocks run-of-the-mill goods too. Does that mean you'll now compete with these front street shops, or will you continue to remain niche?
I'll still be niche. I prefer selling good quality products to my customers. We try our best to give honest, genuine prices to our customers. As our prices are available online transparently, it doesn't matter if a tech enthusiast or a layman in his 50s enquires about a product. Both of them will get the same price that's mentioned on the website. We would rather have a long term relationship with our customers than, you know, hustle one deal and forget about them.

Do you allude to the front street shops by that? What's your take on them?
The number of shops are increasing by the day. Initially, I think, there were no more than 50 shops. Then the numbers rose to 100, 150, and then 250. Right now, there are around 400-500 in Lamington Road and its bylanes. The competition has grown a lot, which means lower margins in these IT products. I believe that's the reason behind the decline in the quality of customer service extended by these shops.

Do such low margins also explain their impatience towards low volume, walk-in customers?
Yes. If they are to earn only Rs 25-50 from such customers, the amount of time and dedication that they extend will also be reduced.

How important are forums for online retailers?
Very. With forums we can directly connect to our customers, who already are tech enthusiasts. Most of our customers originate from the forums or come through recommendations from the same.

Do you extend any special offers to forum members?
Yes, sometimes we do, like recently we had 10% off on certain products.

Considering this niche market is built upon forums and online presence, how important is it to have a brick-and-mortar shop as opposed to an e-shop?
In India, yes, it is important because a lot of people still prefer to have a look at the product, feel it, touch it and then go for it, instead of just looking at the picture and buying it online. The scenario, however, is changing and more people are buying stuff online. Online market is growing and getting secure too. Products are now insured against theft, loss, and damage. If the wrong product is shipped, whatever happens, it is the dealer's responsibility.

Let me rephrase that. Things such as processor and smartphones have intangible qualities that only become apparent once you have purchased and set them up. So people usually visit websites such as TechTree, read reviews, and analyse benchmark figures to decide upon a product. They have already made a decision before they even reach the shop. So for people like these, do brick and mortar shops really matter?
If the person is a tech enthusiast and he's well aware of the reviews and technicalities, I believe a brick and mortar shop isn't important for such people. The one good thing about our business is that there is no grey market stuff. Or rather there are no Chinese knockoffs. You will never see a fake processor. Therefore, almost all enthusiast products in the market are genuine.

How much of a say do distributors have on the prices?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If a certain product has a high volume, the distributors give good pricing. You can see that with processors, mobos, and HDDs. If you compare the Indian and US prices of these components, you'll find them to be similar. However, if you compare graphics cards, or other elite products, their prices will be slightly higher. That's because the volumes of such products are on the lower side, so the distributor has to hold the stock longer. That means his money is stuck for a longer time. This leads to the distributors charging higher margins, which drive the prices upwards.

In case of a distributor monopoly, do they ever arm-twist you into selling goods at higher prices?
I wouldn't call that arm-twisting, but they do charge a premium. Since they are the only ones there, there's nothing pretty much a dealer or a customer can do about it.

There are only two shops catering to the hardware enthusiasts in Bombay? Is the market that small?
The enthusiast market, if you compare it with the rest, it is definitely much smaller. Take the example of these front street shops, even their customers don't care about what's under the hood. If you visit these shops, you'll see buyers selecting cabinets based on their looks alone. They aren't even bothered about the fact that the cheap PSUs these cabinets come with will most likely kill their hardware. The majority is more concerned about looks and price than about quality, and hence the enthusiast market is still a niche segment.

Yes that stuff is mostly cheap and horrible, but most customers can't really tell that. Does that discourage you?
I think this is a growing market. When I started this business online, there were only one or maybe two other websites. Now there are well over 20. More and more people are warming up to the idea of shopping through online shops like ours. People want to buy good things and they have a taste for quality products. Therefore, I think over the next few years, the Indian online scenario will be much better. There will be a lot more people reading reviews, googling stuff, and becoming more aware about the right products to buy.

Earlier expensive hardware would force enthusiasts to get their NRI relatives to bring down expensive hardware. However, with the increasing parity between the Indian and International prices, have you seen a commensurate rise in demand for such products?
Yes, the affordability of such hardware has caused a boom in the online market. People are now more aware of better brands. Even dealers pay heed to what people want now, and they provide the same. Earlier, I think they used to underestimate the online market, but that isn't the case anymore because more people prefer buying good quality stuff now.

A lot of shops from Chandigarh and Delhi have been able to price products more competitively, as compared to the Bombay based dealers. How do you compete with that?
I think that is unfair because the taxes are lower over there. The Government should maintain the same taxation throughout India.

Especially considering the lack of regional barriers for online shops.
Correct. Just because Bombay is the financial hub doesn't mean that the Government should take more from us.

I guess there's no competing with that then. What's your take on the individual sellers on the forums? Take KMD for example?
I think they are parallel importers, who want to do a small time business and run away. In fact, KMD did run away. He has been inactive for a long time now. As far as I can tell from the forum chatter, many of his customers were enquiring about him; some were even concerned about their money as well. I think nobody knows his address or his phone number. He did honour most of the deals, but some of them weren't honoured. The business model of these parallel importers itself is a very short term. After some time, customers realise that it is a pain to reach them for warranty.

Now that you serve all of India, where is the most active tech enthusiast scene located? From where do you get most of your orders?
Orders originate mostly from the metros, but the most active scene has to be Bombay. However, there are also a lot of orders from far-flung towns, where they see no availability of such high-end products.




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(32) Comments
Balasaaheb
,Dadar, on Sep 13, 2011 05:59 PM
Is it "Bombay" or "Mumbai"?
Samir
,Mumbai, on Sep 09, 2011 09:13 PM
blah blah blah...online shopping hasn't yet picked up in India & going to the store & buying stuff & getting it asap is better than doing online. You tell me same price laptop you'll buy online? or from eg. Croma? If something F's up you can go next day itself & get it replaced etc. if you bought it from a store. No more running/monekying around phone calls & blah blah to ur online dealer. Unless online stores offer exclusive prices which are far cheaper than physical stores in India eg. newegg,amazon do in USA, online isn't gonna kick off here, keep dreaming. Face it everyone wants profits...ur gonna tell me if some n00bs walks in to this rahul guys shop he isnt gonna milk him a little bit? Come on who are you fooling everyone wants the cheddar!
amit
,mumbai, on Sep 10, 2011 06:11 PM
dude wake up. If you dont shop online it doesn't mean nobody else does it. Now we had started ordering not only computer stuff but every other thing from internet. The online bargain offers you much competetive price.
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 11, 2011 05:32 PM
If it has escaped your attention the context of this article is very specific - enthusiast hardware. If I want to buy a Scythe case fan, NZXT touchscreen controller, Noctua CPU cooler, or a top of the line mobo or a graphics card, the only two physical shops can fulfil those requirements. Both of them are in Lamington Road, and both of them have online shops, to save you from the troubles and the cost of commuting there. As it is already mentioned in the interview, finding knockoffs of these products is night impossible. Moreover, since they are sealed, you cannot touch and feel those goods if you buy them in person. Warranties can also be claimed by taking the products to the service centre yourself. Have you ever considered the fact that there has to be some reason why PC enthusiasts have embraced online shopping? Think about it.
sunil
,Jammu, on Sep 13, 2011 05:15 PM
hey Samir.. which part of India are you living in Man???? Flipkart and lets buy are delivering literally everywhere in India and that too lesser amount than the Street vendors. Nehru Place is the best place to shop for in terms of hardware,,, but now that part of IT hub doesn't stand infront of Online store (You can check this thing by comparing price from Street vendors and the Flipkart/Letsbuy/infibeam).. nehru place was once a hotspot for me and my friends but Flipkart and Lets buy services are far greater and they also give a 30 days replacement warrenty (which even street vendors refuse to give.. when you go them.. they divert you to the company customer care)
Samir
,Mumbai, on Sep 12, 2011 11:53 PM
Easy there pal...Its not that I don't like your article or your writing or you..if that was the case I wouldn't be posting or visiting or reading any of this stuff. I just don't understand what high-end products these 2 shops in bombay offer coz they're getting their stuff from the distributors, right!?...which implies any shop over there can get you that...you go shopping on any shop they'll call the distributor they send their guy he gets the stuff. Correct? Honoring warranty etc. doesn't really matter when the distributor is the fall-too guy as in The Man. I don't have anything against ITWares or Prime etc...they do a great job & I agree shopping with them rather than a street peddler shop just gives you more peace of mind in case something F's up. If these 2 shops are the distributor for certain brands...they don't have a product catalog rich enough...they just stock running items not niche ones which an enthusiast looks for. Am I correct? or no? That's my whole point...nothing else. And I apologize about the rear end comment...what can I say...I got carried away...but its in good spirits & no offense intended.
Danzyl
,lami, on Sep 12, 2011 07:53 PM
who is the first king of Lamington road?
Sunil G
,Mumbai, on Sep 12, 2011 06:20 PM
yup thats where i purchase most of my pc stuff Prime ABGB..
Samir
,Mumbai, on Sep 11, 2011 11:43 PM
Yeah? Whats the point of ur article enthusiast stuff right? Okay...look at ITWares site...whats the enthusiast stuff being offered? The product catalog isn't even full...500GB HDD? intel core i3 processor? really? thats enthusiast stuff? You clearly mentioned that everything is run by distributors anyway so this IT Wares is just a middle guy...what enthusiast stuff do they have? If u want something they'll order it. Any shop over there will do that after confirming with the distributor ofc. Ok I see this ITWares listed on Noctua's site...but do they have a noctua NF-r8 fan? how about noctua B9? nah if its all back-ordered isn't it? So they only enthusiast stuff they're selling is which is a running item & sells tons. That's not enthusiast or niche...thats going with the market flow. Get it? You keep contradicting your own article its pointless & you should rename it to online shopping v/s physical shopping instead of creating a hoop-la-boo about a couple of shops who themselves get stuff from a distributor or don't even have enthusiast products. A better site is IT Depot at least their product catalog is sufficient & prices are okay enough. Seems to me you like to kiss someone's rear-end too much mr.author. and at amit...each to their own..u wanna save 50 bucks & buy online & wait for your stuff to arrive for 3 days...if something F's up u call & send it back & blah & blah = tension. I like to keep things simple...95% of the time I go to a shop buy it & use it. If something F's up & the shop guy acts funny I can rough him up! There! lol
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 12, 2011 06:13 PM
Samir, from the malformed and incoherent tripe that you have posted up there, it seems that the very virtues of logic and common sense are lost upon you. Well, it's that and the fact that you're obviously butthurt from our prior exchanges and therefore regularly bombard my articles with baseless accusations, whose lack of substance is only rivalled by their vindictiveness. However, I will still give you the benefit of doubt and issue rebuttals to all your arguments, no matter how childish and harebrained they are.
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 12, 2011 06:13 PM
Firstly, please read the article headline. It says 'Last Kings of Lamington Road'. The last time I checked, Lamington Rd wasn't in Chennai. Therefore, it is pointless to include Chennai based IT Depot in an article about the enthusiast shops in Lamington Rd. Honestly, do you even read what you type before hitting the reply button? At this rate, I won't be surprised if you take an appointment for a proctological examination and then sue the doctor for sodomy.
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 12, 2011 06:14 PM
As for your other allegation, the nature of the interview needed the opinions of proprietors with experience handling both physical as well as online shops. There are only two such shops over at Lamington Rd - PrimeABGB and IT Wares. Since Prime's owner was out of the country, I could only include IT Wares in the interview. You see, it's more circumstances than me kissing anybody's ass, as you eloquently put it. Please use a bit of discretion and, if possible, some common sense as well before questioning someone's integrity.
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 12, 2011 06:15 PM
The same online + physical shop logic explained above is enough to disprove the rest of your childish arguments. Once again, read and understand the title, scope, and context of the article before proceeding to have periods all over the comments section.
Karan Walia
,Chandigarh, on Sep 11, 2011 03:39 PM
Thanks Nachiket, interesting article as always. Looking forward to more
sunil
,Jammu, on Sep 05, 2011 02:00 PM
Well Mr. Nachiket, the 'Mecca' of IT hardware is not in Mumbai.. But Delhi's Nehru Place. Ask thousand of people wo travel here from far away states to buy some stuff. However, i would agree with you over the IT hubs losing out to Internet. Consider this: I recently bought WD 1 TB 2.5 inch HDD with USB 3 for 4670 however, the best bargain I got in Nehru place was 4850..Same goes for Headphones and Mobile phones. after visiting Nehru place recently and comparing the prices with internet 'on sale' items.. the difference was clear and it also saved me the effort of traveling and cost of travel. The Internet shopping has finally arrived in India and it will be Huge in another couple of years (No wonder Amazon may be launching their India operations soon)
pankaj
,new delhi, on Sep 09, 2011 02:26 PM
i agrre that nehru place is biggest hardware market in india. i think all the staff of techtree is situated in mumbai. and that is why all article are mumbai centric only. i would like to see a article on nehru place. as far as pricing is corncerned NP is the cheadpest u can get. i have recently bought a 2tb 3.5 hdd of seagate and cost me around 4200. also 4gb ddr3 ram is available at around 1200.
Vaibhav
,Mumbai, on Sep 08, 2011 01:28 AM
I have been buying from itwares from around a year now bought my whole system and then bought one for my friend too ... recently had to send my Asus mobo for RMA to Rashi , i am working guy and don't get time off except for Sundays when the service centers are closed but all i had to do was to give the mobo to their shop elounge in lamington road and they did the rest rahul even sent the back the mobo to my place as i was working when it got fixed by rashi. For me theitwares and elounge is the best place to buy computer parts in mumbai and recommend everyone from the bottom of my heart to buy their pc stuff from them. Best of luck to u Mr. Rahul :)
manish
,mumbai, on Sep 08, 2011 04:24 PM
you seem to be a one off case. last year i bought a system from rahul's theitwares.com and he totally left me high and dry when my motherboard shorted out. unfortunately, before that i recommended him to 5-6 friends in south mumbai. They bought systems from him due to cheaper price but one by one they faced problems of RAM burn out etc. Till date they abuse me . . . Never gonna buy from this fraud again.
Why U Want To K
,Can U Reach Here, on Sep 08, 2011 01:36 AM
That stupid Rahul is a very Big HARAAMI..... I know him very wel from my previous dealing with theitwares.com
Guntas
,Chandigarh, on Sep 06, 2011 10:30 PM
Thanks Nachiket, interesting article, like all the others you posted earlier, look forward to more.
Ashok
,Mumbai, on Sep 06, 2011 02:30 PM
Rahul don't follow the prices what he has offering on his website(which are attractive), even he is not willing to talk about his website when you visit to him (he try to avoid to talk about his website and act as other shops in market means taking order from customer & arrange the things from market by his only associate (peon). If you purchase a whole system from him he take around 1 to 1 and 1/2 hr to arrange all the things from main distributors.
naveenchaudhary
,meerut, on Sep 04, 2011 10:51 PM
even i have suggested many a friends in mumbai to get enthusiast items from itwares.in.. but i thought that his name is rahul jawale.. really.. their new website is pretty good, wish them a huge success.. the newegg of india..
sachin
,goa, on Sep 06, 2011 02:28 PM
the old itware site was better as it had more product listed on it.the new site has much less product listings and more of product specifications.I would rather visit the manufacturer website to get details then trust what retailer says.and yes it was Rahul jawale and not Rahul verma as given here.
Vinod Sharma
,Mumbai, on Sep 06, 2011 02:16 PM
Hi, This is good intiative.But I think think you missed one very important point which the readers of this article has got the right to know.How secure are these website for online transaction.I know few customer who have be cheated by hackers while doing transation online......Big players invest heavily on security system process.........
Ravi
,Mumbai, on Sep 06, 2011 03:46 AM
HI First of all the person who interview him question to him did u ever doa market research before taking interview from this ITwares guy fellow .Rahul verma is a big cheat and there has been lot of cases from hiim where he doesnt even care for his customers. Please google a bit and u will find lot of scenerio's . What he talk's is crap and he doesnt know anything from customer service point . The only shop which beleives in service is prime. please check with rahul if he has adequate staff to. and please avoid such kind of interview if you dont know how genuine are they . These people are like policitians big big talks and but themself dont know anything all our cheaters....
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 06, 2011 10:34 AM
The main purpose of this interview was to get an insight into what made the enthusiasts drift away from Lamington Road to online stores. As a matter of fact, I had also contacted PrimeABGB. Unfortunately, the proprietor was out of the country at the time, so I couldn't conduct an interview with him. People's perception about customer service offered is subjective, and that frankly has no bearing on the interview - whose sole purpose is to see the picture from the yes of a vendor, who has experience of handling both online and brick-and-mortar shops.
Nachiket
, TechTree, on Sep 06, 2011 10:35 AM
from the eyes of a vendor*
INDRAKUMAR
,KOLKOTTA, on Sep 06, 2011 03:50 AM
INTERVIEW TAKEN FROM ITWARES HAHAHAHAA GO THRU THIS AND DO A GOOGLE http://tech.shantanugoel.com/2011/07/14/beware-of-itwares-theitwares-co.html http://newsodrome.com/mobile_news/beware-of-itwares-theitwares-com-26635432
Aditya
,Mumbai, on Sep 05, 2011 06:45 PM
Good to hear about someone who started from scratch has come a long way .... I have been buying all my Computer Hardware products from theitwares ... aka E Lounge only .... they give best prices and Rahul is awesome he has always helped me , i had once had to RMA my Mobo 2 times he helped me both the times and was good to talk to also .... i recommend theitwares and e-lounge to all my friends and relatives and always buy from them only.
alex
,mumbai, on Sep 05, 2011 05:40 PM
plz dont' buy from e-lounge. they also sell under "theitwares.com" . . . no customer service at all. if anything goes bust, rahul just gave me the service center number in vasai and asked me to go get the part replaced myself. plz be warned and save your money
Rajveer
,Vadodara, on Sep 05, 2011 02:35 PM
Its a pity Rahul can't talk to his customers with the amount of respect a customer deserves. Prime abgb and Future Systems from Chandigarh on the other hand have been a lot better when I ask for price quotes and service. As for KMD ............
deepak
,Pune, on Sep 05, 2011 10:29 AM
Informative interview, pls keep your prices competitive. This days lot of eshops have opened and this will drive competition, hence the consumers will be benefited. But comparing prices between eshops and brick mortar shops, the mobile phone prices still differ a bit. If this void is filled then i guess this might close the gap. Happy eshopping.

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